Reconstruction talk:Proto-Indo-European/ten-

"Temp-" as s synonim for "ten-" ?

I have some doubts about that, and if I find time, I intend to check the reasoning behind that (read throuh the citations below and discuss with comparative linguists I know). Reasons or my doubts at the moment:

Sound (dis)similarity

From my point of view, a lot of natural verbal language words have origin somewhere (be it close or far) in sound associated with the subject (thing, concept or what is happening). Even when similarities exist, there might be no connection, but IMO they should always be considered and investigated. Assuming that,

• "ten-" sounds as a string under tension, and "tend-" might be close to syn-phonem (with same string touched after a few moments to end the sound);
• "temp-" sounds like thomp, chop, klop, tick...

That is veriable, IMO, by trying it, as is that 1+1 is 2, by counting objects of same type (where we usualy don't need to cite sources; but I will try finding citations), and that's why I think this needs discussion.

Proposition

At least, I d' propose change from

===Root===

*ten- (perfective)

1. to stretch, to extend

   Synonym: *temp-

to something like

# to stretch, to extend

1. possible Synonym: *temp-

Intro for further discussion

For those of you with training in music, you shall remember temp-ing sounds of teacher's hand (ticking with a pen on a piano, or thumping of a foot; or ticking of a metronome when practicing at home). There you were trained to feel time (and to keep time, but including accelerando and ritardando, done intentionally).

For people with other timed movement training (dance, martial arts, self defence etc.), you shall recall teacher's voice timing your moves, numbering. In martial arts, you had a complex movement of both attacker and defender choped in sections, and first lerned new moves by steps, and reintegrated in rythm (rythm is another onomatopeic word in this context), and timed by numbering to have both parthers have it initially syncronized in drill.

Now, think of Romans (with temp-us) a bit. Their legions were legendary (=worthy to be read about), and drilled their moves, almost surely by their instructors timing moves (no citation yet, but for you who did any similar training, obviously). That training was one of the reasons of their success in battle.

Another expample is thump, thump of a heartbeat - which can be used to time things (individual's heartbeat at rest is pretty stable). That is also directly associable with time, and measuring it whith what we are, not with what we have (technology independent), so it is possibe it was used so (pre)historically; for that, discussion maybe can be found (maybe it was observed/detected in Amazonia or New Guinea, and I know who to ask but don't have current contact...), and I'll try.

Compare this with having something under tension, or keeping something streched. Kronos (also name of god that was time personified) is similarily rytmic as tempus... And teeeeeeensiiiiiiio is not. --Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 19:07, 7 January 2021 (UTC)