Talk:-ба

@Benwing2: Hello. I've listed a few missing suffixes at WT:RE:ru, and this is one of them. Do you think you could see to it?

Another thing: I've also listed a suffix -да, on the basis of вражда (vražda), but I'm probably metanalysing that word (враг (vrag) + -да (-da)?). I seem to remember seeing a final -да in other words though, so I don't know. --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 18:23, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

@Per utramque cavernam I'll try to get to them soon. Note that -да is definitely not a suffix, though, at least not a noun-forming suffix. вражда is a Church Slavonic borrowing, where it represents Proto-Slavic *vorďa, from early Proto-Salvic *vargja, analyzable synchronically as враг (vrag) + -а (-a) (Etymology 2). Benwing2 (talk) 01:23, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

@Benwing2: Ah, thanks, it makes a lot more sense! I suspected it was another instance of *ď > OCS жд, but I couldn't get my head around how that *ď would have gotten there (**vorgďa obviously doesn't work). --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 09:11, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

@Benwing2: Hello. I remember the other word I thought was an instance of this spurious -да suffix: правда. Could you add its etymology please? Thanks! --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 12:38, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

@Per utramque cavernam: I did my best. In this case the suffix is originally -ьда; I don't know where the suffix comes from. Benwing2 (talk) 02:14, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

@Guldrelokk: Would you know more about this? --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 14:09, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

@Per utramque cavernam: *-ьda was a Proto-Slavic suffix seen in words вражда (vražda) (not from *vorďa, wróżda, vražda), правда (pravda), кривда (krivda). Its origins are not agreed upon: a dissimilation could take place in **pravьba and **krivьba, which would then be imported into *voržьda, or maybe it is original. It has never been productive in Russian, so I do not think -да (-da) should be created, in Russian правд- is a root. Guldrelokk (talk) 16:48, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Oh, so I was right, if only by accident. What would be the West Slavic forms if the etymon had been *vorďa? Polish **wródza, Czech **vraza? @Benwing2, you might want to see this. --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 17:23, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Something along the lines; Serbo-Croatian also wouldn’t have vražda but *vrađa instead, for Polish wróżda it’s just more clear it is not a borrowing. Oh, and I just found there is poetic Ukrainian ворожда (vorožda). Guldrelokk (talk) 17:36, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Also I created an entry for -ба (-ba) as -ьба (-ʹba) yesterday. Was it right? Guldrelokk (talk) 17:06, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

@Guldrelokk: Thanks! Please see this edit; you might have picked up your formatting from Macedonian entries, but those need to be updated; we prefer to use {{suffixusex}}. --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 17:23, 20 April 2018 (UTC)