Talk:Bär
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RFV-sense "boar". I created this based on etymological dictionaries and Talk:boar, now the question is: is it attested in German, in this spelling, in isolation? The homography to Bär (“bear”) would seem to make it impossible to use, or to search for now. It's attested in compounds (Schweinsbär, Schweinebär, Schweinbär, and Saubär, and possibly some uses of Wildbär), and its Middle High German predecessor would meet CFI. And I can find indirect evidence, like:
- Johann Georg Krünitz, Oekonomische Encyclopaedie oder allgemeines System (1842):
- Im Oesterreichischen heißt daher der Bär (ursus) Tatzbär, zum Unterschiede von dem Eber, der daselbst gleichfalls Bär genannt wird.
- In Austrian the Bär [bear] (ursus) is therefore called 'paw-bear', to distinguish it from the boar, which is itself called Bär [boar].
- Im Oesterreichischen heißt daher der Bär (ursus) Tatzbär, zum Unterschiede von dem Eber, der daselbst gleichfalls Bär genannt wird.
- -sche (discuss) 06:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- @-sche: It doesn't look like anyone else is going to cite this (and I haven't the faintest how one could go about doing it), but if we're going to have to delete it, we should at least create entries for the compounds. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 03:08, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- On second thought, I guess this should stay using
{{only in}}...? I've created Saubär and updated Bär to use an equivalent of{{only in}}. (So, withdrawn.) - -sche (discuss) 17:33, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
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"only used in compounds" sounds like Bär = boar doesn't (and didn't) exist.
Note: boar and Eber have "obsolete dialectal German Bär (“boar”)" which would imply a word Bär = boar does exist,.. but with many German dialects being treated like languages at en.WT (e.g. Bavarian) it's not necessarily "German" in en.WT's strict sence... --Brown*Toad (talk) 01:52, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
- I suppose the formally correct thing to do is to replace the current non-gloss definition with
{{only used in}}and link all the compounds that way. I've done that now. If others come to our attention and the list grows excessively long, we could consider going back to the old format and listing the compounds as derived terms. - -sche (discuss) 05:02, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
- Template:only used in is for whole words only occuring in phrases, e.g. Laufenden in auf dem Laufenden. --Brown*Toad (talk) 05:35, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- Chinese compound words use it, and I suspect also entries in spaced languages, though I'm not sure how to search for examples short of just paging through all the entries it's used on. - -sche (discuss) 05:30, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- Cited as a standalone word. Most of the citations are of the "jib (a small sail forward of the mainsail)" type because it's otherwise difficult to find and be sure of instances where Bär means boar rather than bear, since they're homographic and used in the same contexts. I also found some books discussing inspections of pork which included inspections of various breeds, wild pigs, and Bären; even there, it could mean bear meat instead of wild boar meat, but given the other citations and the compound words, I think it's clear this sense existed. - -sche (discuss) 20:15, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
- RFV-kept — surjection ⟨??⟩ 09:49, 9 February 2021 (UTC)