Talk:bruaria
Latest comment: 3 years ago by JimKillock in topic Bruaria, --ium
Bruaria, --ium[edit]
Hi there @Metaknowledge, it looks pretty clear to me that this has a weird plural-only form, and the plural genitive is -ium; that is what Logeion says? JimKillock (talk)
(the forms are pretty mixed and a bit weird so there could be some confusion, but it definitely isn't bruariarum (it's bruarium). — This unsigned comment was added by JimKillock (talk • contribs).
- @JimKillock: No, that's not what it says. Did you read the examples? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 23:17, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for replying @Metaknowledge, yes I did. The entry says: "bruaria, ~ium [OF bruiere; cf. brogus] , heather, heath (plant). b heath, heathland." I see lots of "bruerium" and "bruarium" in the examples, and no examples of "bruariarum". What am I missing? JimKillock (talk) 23:21, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
- OK, I see, it means two form, not genitive. Thanks for the help. JimKillock (talk) 23:53, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
- @JimKillock: Your edits are still taking a lot of effort to clean up, both because you are not making any effort to follow our formatting, and more importantly, because of linguistic mistakes. Please stop editing Latin entries. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:36, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hi @Metaknowledge, thank you for your previous help. I am sorry you feel that way. This was a linguistic mistake I agree. I am not aware of others but do let me know, perhaps on my talk page. On formatting, this time I did not make much effort to start with because the page got deleted when I was trying to do so, so felt it better to get the minimum up so it was clearly not in need of deletion. I do find the formatting hard, when I come back to add things it takes some time to remember and / or find the issues. However, I am making occassional additions in good faith, and I've been able to find my mistakes with a bit of help. I am not likely to stop these occassional additions, as it is my philosophy to add things when I see they are missing, not least so I and others can find them in the future. That after all is how Wikis are meant to work; it is unfortunate that public editing does lead to the possibility of people making errors, and I will endeavour to avoid them. Again I thank you for your help previously. JimKillock (talk) 09:03, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- @JimKillock: You also added a Middle English etymon that was obviously wrong, and made no effort to even copy the formatting from the same page you were editing. Good faith does not suffice; we need to be a reliable resource, and it is rather arrogant to think that the way this wiki should work is that you get to make as many errors as you like, and force others to clean up after your messes. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 17:35, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- Well: I don't expect that all. I would expect correction and help when I err; to help me improve so that I am not a burden, and know my own limits better. But I would also ask that you take a care not to attribute characteristics to me, you don't know me at all, and have had limited interaction with me. In kind, I am taking time to thank you for the help you have given me (and it is helpful, I am very willing to say), but would ask that you, as an admin, take care to offer advice and help in a way that is encouraging and welcoming. It is all too easy to put people off, and make them feel bad about contributing; that really must not be the experience that senior wikimedia volunteers offer people like myself who make mistakes. JimKillock (talk) 18:09, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- @JimKillock: You ask to know your own limits better, and I have offered a limit. I think that given your demonstrated inability to use Latin dictionaries, you should not add Latin entries. We all err, but we don't all have the same error rate. I can offer advice and help on formatting, but I can't teach you Latin grammar. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 18:44, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- I have added a fair number of other Latin entries without problem or complaint, not always formatting correctly but this is the first time I've made a serious grammatical error to my recall; I have certainly made some errors in this case, that is clear. I do not ask you to teach me Latin grammar; I am usually aware of where my limits are on that but failed here. Still, that really has to be for me to assess, since this is a public wiki. Helping me to know my limits grammatically is different to asking me to stop editing. Nobody wants to waste their own time, so failing repeatedly should be enough for anyone to learn whether they are being helpful and their work useful or not. I am sure I can work that out without being an undue burden on you or others. Thank you for the offer on formatting help. I think we should leave this concersation for now, and again I thank you for having some forebearance. I am going to try some other simple entries I spot and hope to get these more correct for formatting and grammar next time. Through this and your help I've learnt to read Logeion better which is a useful thing. JimKillock (talk) 18:52, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- @JimKillock: You ask to know your own limits better, and I have offered a limit. I think that given your demonstrated inability to use Latin dictionaries, you should not add Latin entries. We all err, but we don't all have the same error rate. I can offer advice and help on formatting, but I can't teach you Latin grammar. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 18:44, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- Well: I don't expect that all. I would expect correction and help when I err; to help me improve so that I am not a burden, and know my own limits better. But I would also ask that you take a care not to attribute characteristics to me, you don't know me at all, and have had limited interaction with me. In kind, I am taking time to thank you for the help you have given me (and it is helpful, I am very willing to say), but would ask that you, as an admin, take care to offer advice and help in a way that is encouraging and welcoming. It is all too easy to put people off, and make them feel bad about contributing; that really must not be the experience that senior wikimedia volunteers offer people like myself who make mistakes. JimKillock (talk) 18:09, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- @JimKillock: You also added a Middle English etymon that was obviously wrong, and made no effort to even copy the formatting from the same page you were editing. Good faith does not suffice; we need to be a reliable resource, and it is rather arrogant to think that the way this wiki should work is that you get to make as many errors as you like, and force others to clean up after your messes. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 17:35, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hi @Metaknowledge, thank you for your previous help. I am sorry you feel that way. This was a linguistic mistake I agree. I am not aware of others but do let me know, perhaps on my talk page. On formatting, this time I did not make much effort to start with because the page got deleted when I was trying to do so, so felt it better to get the minimum up so it was clearly not in need of deletion. I do find the formatting hard, when I come back to add things it takes some time to remember and / or find the issues. However, I am making occassional additions in good faith, and I've been able to find my mistakes with a bit of help. I am not likely to stop these occassional additions, as it is my philosophy to add things when I see they are missing, not least so I and others can find them in the future. That after all is how Wikis are meant to work; it is unfortunate that public editing does lead to the possibility of people making errors, and I will endeavour to avoid them. Again I thank you for your help previously. JimKillock (talk) 09:03, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- @JimKillock: Your edits are still taking a lot of effort to clean up, both because you are not making any effort to follow our formatting, and more importantly, because of linguistic mistakes. Please stop editing Latin entries. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:36, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- OK, I see, it means two form, not genitive. Thanks for the help. JimKillock (talk) 23:53, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for replying @Metaknowledge, yes I did. The entry says: "bruaria, ~ium [OF bruiere; cf. brogus] , heather, heath (plant). b heath, heathland." I see lots of "bruerium" and "bruarium" in the examples, and no examples of "bruariarum". What am I missing? JimKillock (talk) 23:21, 31 January 2021 (UTC)