Talk:derogatory
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== derogatory ==
Sense 2 seems to describe a noun, and i can't find it in any other dictionary. Not to mention how cumbersome it is to read. — This comment was unsigned.
- The noun is "derogatory clause", so this is in fact an adjective modifying "clause". The definition may be outdated (a Google search suggests it comes from Rawson's 1884 Pocket Law-Lexicon) but that isn't a reason to delete it altogether. Equinox ◑ 20:29, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
- Move to derogatory clause. The definition we have appeared as a run-in in MW 1913, which does not mean that it takes the PoS of the headword. Thus it is arguably "created in error".
- Further, derogatory clause seems to have another meaning, possibly a generalization of the one in question: "a statutory or contractual provision proclaiming that the document in which it appears, or a part of the document, cannot be repealed or amended."
- I don't think it will turn out that there is use of derogatory in these senses apart from the word clause, either as derogatory clause or clause derogatory, but that would depend on someone attempting to create an adjective definition. DCDuring TALK 21:33, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
- Looking at “derogatory clause”, in OneLook Dictionary Search. I see no entries but “derogatory clause in a testament”, in OneLook Dictionary Search. show three references containing entries, run-in or full, and one with a null redirect. DCDuring TALK 21:40, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
- I found "if the clause be derogatory", so I disagree with the proposed move. Equinox ◑ 22:50, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
- Abstain about sense 2. I would accept the argument by Equinox if the predicative use "clause ... derogatory" were attested per WT:ATTEST, but google books:"clause * derogatory" does not give me at least 3 such occurrences. In any case, keep derogatory clause created by DCDuring. Compare google books:"derogatory clause". --Dan Polansky (talk) 11:17, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. As of 9 May 2015, there are no attested usages added for this sense in derogatory or derogatory clause. It is idiomatic and is included in two
references– oh, did I just say that – I mean external links. Did sense 2 meet the criteria of WT:CFI when sense 2 was added? –BoBoMisiu (talk) 13:18, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
Striking as no consensus to delete. bd2412 T 16:23, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
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"(law) When referring to a clause in a testament: a sentence of secret character inserted by the testator alone, of which he reserves the knowledge to himself, with a condition that no will he may make thereafter shall be valid, unless this clause is inserted word for word; – a precaution to guard against later wills extorted by violence, or obtained by suggestion." Supposedly an adjective! Would someone who understands it please move it to [[derogatory clause]] or a different POS section as needed, or reword it to be an adjective, whichever is appropriate? - -sche (discuss) 01:49, 21 June 2012 (UTC)