Talk:ragù bolognese
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ragù napoletano[edit]
Arguably SOP in Italian. Although the particularities are not clear from the terms themselves, one can gather that it is "ragù (in the style of the) Bolognese/Neapolitans" (see a similar argument at Talk:High German consonant shift [once it's archived there at least]). In any case, it's material better suited to a cookbook than a dictionary. Imetsia (talk) 01:09, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Question. Does the same SOP reasoning apply to Bolognese sauce? --Lambiam 07:42, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Probably. But note that Bolognese also has the definition of "(of a pasta sauce) made from minced veal, pork and beef, onions, garlic, tomato, bay leaf, carrot and celery and wine." So, as I see it, it's SOP either way. Now that I look at it, the Italian entry for bolognese also has this "of a pasta sauce" definition - and that's probably an even stronger argument that ragù bolognese is SOP. Imetsia (talk) 15:47, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, people in Bologna can do Neapolitan ragù as well, this just as SOP as Neapolitan chord, Russian roulette or American dream. On the other hand, it's the Italian entry for bolognese that should not have an "of a pasta sauce" definition, which would be like having an "of a dream" definition under American. Catonif (talk) 11:46, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- RFD-kept by no consensus. Imetsia (talk (more)) 16:10, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
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Italian SOP. I would delete all of them. But our decisions on this forum have been inconsistent. We decided to delete ragù alla bolognese and ragù alla napoletana by a vote of 4-0; but decided to keep ragù bolognese and ragù napoletano by no consensus (1-1). We should at least be internally consistent with these entries, which is why I'm reopening this RFD discussion so soon after it was closed.
I would argue that the latter two entries are clearly SOP with alla bolognese, and the former two entries are clearly SOP with bolognese (sense 2). Furthermore, you can have "pasta bolognese," "spaghetti bolognese," etc. It's not limited to "ragù bolognese." Imetsia (talk (more)) 14:27, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
- RFD-closed. Didn't generate the sort of discussion that I was hoping for. Imetsia (talk (more)) 15:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)