Talk:őrül

@Adam78 Do you mean őriz, őr, and őröl are not related within Hungarian? Because that is probably true. But they are related in a broader sense, in that they were all borrowed from a single family of Turkic words with meanings related to 'circling around'. Where you include them hinges upon what you consider to be 'strong etymological connections' (see Wiktionary:Entry_layout#Related_terms). —caoimhinoc (talk) 17:24, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

@Caoimhin ceallach Yes, I mean they are not related within Hungarian. It's a borderline case indeed. The main problem is that their Turkic origin is not confirmed; Zaicz primarily describes őriz as a "word of uncertain origin" (bizonytalan eredetű szó) and the potential Turkic cognates are supplied only hypothetically. Adam78 (talk) 17:41, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

I think what 'bizonytalan eredetű' at őriz pertains to is whether őriz is derived from őr or the other way around. ("Az sem zárható ki, hogy az őriz ige az őr névszó származéka.") These are the only possibilities mentioned. I'm not certain that's what they meant, but it seems quite likely to me that both are from Turkic. —caoimhinoc (talk) 19:01, 4 September 2021 (UTC)