Talk:γέννα

Greek

• 1 "[[Appendix:Glossary#synonym|Synonym]]: τὰ [[Χριστούγεννα]]<!-- {{syn|grc|τὰ [[Χριστούγεννα]]}} no exist Because = medieval (gkm) & new (el), not anc. (grc) --> "
  By ISO it's Classical Greek (grc), Medieval Greek (grc too), both types of New Greek (el), that is Medieval and Greek merged into one (grc). (this revision was incorrect as www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=grc proofs.) Thus {{syn|grc|...}} would be correct.
  If Wiktionary treats Medieval as a separate lang (wiktionary non-ISO code: gkm), than the Medieval part doesn't belong beneath ==Ancient Greek== and {{grc-noun|}} but into an own lang section like ==Medieval Greek==. Considering that Category:Medieval Greek lemmas/Category:Mediaeval Greek lemmas, Category:Middle Greek lemmas, Category:Byzantine Greek lemmas don't exists and that {{m|gkm|α}} doesn't work, it seems more likely that Medieval and Greek are merged into one at Wiktionary too (grc, Category:Ancient Greek lemmas), or that Medieval Greek isn't even supported. That is, {{syn|grc|...}} should indeed be correct.
• 2 "{{R:LSJ}}"
  That doesn't work. But adding the LSJ-lemma like {{R:LSJ|γένν-ᾰ}} doesn't work either...
• 3 "τὰ Γέννα • (génnā)  [...]  |head=Γέννα|n-p|second}} separate page? -->
  Comparing for example Sun/sun, Hell/hell, it might be more correct to have it as Γέννα which could be mentioned beneath "Derived terms" or "See also".
• 4 ": ἡ γέννᾱ, τῆς γέννᾱς"
  That belongs into the head or inflection section. If it's intended to contrast two different nouns like ἡ γέννᾱ, τῆς γέννᾱς (syn. of γένος) and ἡ γέννᾰ, τῆς γέννης (Medieval Greek), there should be two noun sections. But LSJ's "γένν-ᾰ Emp.17.27, 22.9, A.Pr.853 (but γέννᾱ in lyr. passages of E., as Hec.159), ης, ἡ, ης, ἡ:—poet. for γένος" and DGE's "γέννα -ης, ἡ [poét. gen. -ας ...] ..." imply, that both exist as synonym of γένος (génos). If it's intended to separate inflected forms (only ἡ γέννᾱ, τῆς γέννᾱς and ἡ γέννᾰ, τῆς γέννης, but no ἡ γέννᾱ, τῆς γέννης or ἡ γέννᾰ, τῆς γέννᾱς), then both forms should be given. But I fear, wiktionary doesn't support a proper Greek header with a differentiation of forms and instead uses misleading headers and correcting inflection sections.
• 5 {{q|of the Moon, expression}} “γέννα της σελήνης”
  (a) Should that rather be an entry γέννα της σελήνης (idiomatic non-SOP expression)?
  (b) Is it really "γέννα της σελήνης", with της as in young modern Greek and not τῆς as in Greek and traditional modern Greek?
• 6 <!-- # {{lb|grc|personified}} Creative Force (as in LSJ)? -->
  LSJ has another meaning before it: "3 creation, creature, PMag.Leid.V.7.14. | 4 personified, Creative Force, ib. W.5.3." IMHO, the 3rd is needed to understand the "personified".

-84.161.7.249 04:49, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

response

84! You are here! @84.161.7.249 Thank you for all this. (need to read it more carefully) You flatter me with notes intended for more learned hellenists, which I am not (I am just a native speaker, otherwise not equipped to be in here). Sorry for putting numbers at your comments (I needed them, to follow you)

• 5: expression, yess yes, ok. (I just hate RED links) And since I am not allowed to make a Medieval page, I will not make a page for it. But I corrected it.
• 6. Creative Force: I thought it was some deity.
• 2. LSJ: Our good User:Erutuon has corrected this too (as he corrects many of my mistakes)
• 3.τα Γέννα. YES, again it must get its own page. But it is Medieval only, so I will not do it.
• 1. syn: I CONFESS: I just hate the link to a Wiktionary:Semantic relations page, apparently intended for editors, and not for our readers. I need to read your notes here more carefully. But I know this: the ancients did not have Christmas...
• 4. I need to understand more. For a modern greek η γέννα, της γέννας is the usual. For ancients... I have no opinion.

Medieval words, or sense of words: Αχχχχ. I stumble on this problem, again and again. I am not allowed to make a separate section like here at ζεῦγος 2018.03.18..
Thank you for everything 84! sarri.greek (talk) 05:59, 3 April 2018 (UTC)