Talk:بوییدن

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@RonnieSingh: How is it all from Tajik if it is attested in Turkic since the 11th century? Clauson, Gerard (1972) “”, in An Etymological Dictionary of pre-thirteenth-century Turkish, Oxford: Clarendon Press, page 384b. You have not looked at بوی, the word is found in Middle Kipchak and Chagatay, of course vocalized by Clauson boy. And Turkish, from Old Anatolian Turkish, where boy is moreover only used in the west as opposed to çemen in eastern Turkish. And how can you ignore Old Armenian բոյր (boyr)? -oy- reflects ō, գոյն (goyn), կոյտ (koyt), անոյշ (anoyš), կոյս (koys). Other Iranian words you find at բոյր (boyr) are also given with ō. Oh, and it is ō in Steingass too. So I reason it was ō in Classical Persian, and you devised some wrong rule. Fay Freak (talk) 20:34, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

@RonnieSingh: Apparently my ping did not reach you because of lacking timestamp.

Is it possible that particular words had their vowel changed from ō to ū before the general change of ō to u, so that that change came to be reflected in Indian borrowings and Eastern Persian forms but earlier borrowings reflect ō? As you also talk about an environmental exception in Tajik. Fay Freak (talk) 12:48, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

@Fay Freak: I can think of any examples where the ō appears word finally or before y in Eastern Persian where it's not a modern change, for example Bānō. But fwiw, even Arabic loans with ū before h, 3 and y have the vowel as ӯ. RonnieSingh (talk) 14:56, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Pardon me, that's not a good example. The word is bānū. However that part I mentioned about Arabic loans is true. Lemme look for more examples. It's also possible that ōy might not be a legal combination in the other varieties of Persian RonnieSingh (talk) 15:01, 24 December 2020 (UTC)