Talk:وجنة

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Let's figure it out[edit]

@Roger.M.Williams: This is exactly your métier. IP didn’t like the definition as cheek, and is probably right. Wange and Backe don’t mean the same thing and maxilla has yet another usage. The antagonists يَافُوخ (yāfūḵ) and Genick again deviate from English concepts, for comparison and entropy.

Privy to the general conceptualization, we will be able explain through which semantic ideas and perchance derivatives this comes from إِجَّانَة (ʔijjāna). {{R:xaa:ELA|II}} of course says it is from the dual of وَجْه (wajh) but I am afraid the intermediate step for this development is not quite thinkable. I rather suspect it has to do something with some Backpfeife, and in various technical applications cheeks transmit the force of a thing being beaten up and down so reversely here the name of the body part is transferred from (a piece of primitive) technology. Fay Freak (talk) 06:37, 7 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Fay Freak Ibn Manzur's own definition, together with others that he quotes, approximates matches that of cheekbone.
الوَجْنَةُ: ما ارتفع من الخَدَّيْنِ للشِّدْق والمَحْجِرِ. ... ما انحدر من المَحْجِرِ ونتأَ من الوجه، وقيل: ما نتأَ من لحم الخدين بين الصُّدْغين وكَنَفَي الأَنف، وقيل: هو فَرَقُ ما بين الخَدَّيْنِ والمَدْمَعِ من العظم الشاخص في الوجه، إِذا وَضَعْتَ عليه يَدَك وجدت حَجْمَه. ... ابن الأَعرابي: إِنما سميت الوَجْنَةُ وَجْنَةً لنُتُوئها وغلظها. ... كان ناتئَ الوَجْنةِ؛ هي أَعلى الخدّ.
The wajnah is what stands out in the cheeks up to the mandible and the eye ring [or borders] ... What slants down from the eye ring and juts out in the face. It was also said, "Is what juts out in the flesh of the cheek between the temples and the corners of the nose." And it was said, "It is a ridge between the cheeks proper and the tear duct in the prominent bones of the face." "It was named wajnah," says ʾIbn al-ʾAʿrābī, "owing to its jutting out and its thickness." ... "He was prominent of wajnah", which is the topmost of the cheek.
The IP's objection is not wrong, but since the entry is not that expanded or detailed, it seems to me like "nitpicking". Roger.M.Williams (talk) 11:57, 9 March 2022 (UTC)Reply