Talk:中華
Latest comment: 2 years ago by RcAlex36 in topic Dungan
@Mar vin kaiser, when you deleted mn Tiong-hoa without explanation, it feels as if you may not have regard for the source I referred to in my contribution. Your contributions are appreciated and likewise some degree of explanation. Thank you. Hongthay (talk) 18:39, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
- Hi @Hongthay, sorry I just saw it now, the reference you wrote. May I know what specific variant of Min Nan or Hokkien the reference has? Because, so far, we're recording the dialects of Quanzhou, Taipei, Kaohsiung, Xiamen, and Zhangzhou, and they all have the same tones for the two characters, yinping (陰平) and yangping (陽平), which is marked by Tiong-hôa. I haven't seen the character "華" with an yinping tone though in the reference I have. That's why I'm curious the variant that TDJ lists. Thanks! --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 11:38, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Hongthay, Mar vin kaiser According to this, TDJ is based on Xiamen pronunciation in the 1930s, but takes into account Quanzhou, Zhangzhou and Tong'an pronunciations. TDJ is an old dictionary and may not reflect current usage; it already lists it as a variant pronunciation anyway. 華 read as hoa is not unseen. It's seen in 耶和華. MOE and 當代泉州音字彙 also has hoa for 華. Hope this helps! — justin(r)leung { (t...) | c=› } 12:31, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
- Hi @Hongthay, sorry I just saw it now, the reference you wrote. May I know what specific variant of Min Nan or Hokkien the reference has? Because, so far, we're recording the dialects of Quanzhou, Taipei, Kaohsiung, Xiamen, and Zhangzhou, and they all have the same tones for the two characters, yinping (陰平) and yangping (陽平), which is marked by Tiong-hôa. I haven't seen the character "華" with an yinping tone though in the reference I have. That's why I'm curious the variant that TDJ lists. Thanks! --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 11:38, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
Sichuanese[edit]
@Fish bowl Was the Sichuanese pronunciation inferred in this edit? RcAlex36 (talk) 03:03, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- @RcAlex36: I don't remember. —Fish bowl (talk) 03:08, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
Dungan[edit]
@Atitarev Hi, do you remember where you got the Dunguan pronunciation from? RcAlex36 (talk) 03:06, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- @RcAlex36: The spelling of the web (also part of Җунхуа Жынмин Гунхәгуй (Žunhua Řɨnmin Gunhəguy)) but the tones are from the components. Җунгуй (Žunguy) (中國, I-II) and хуачё (huači͡o) (華僑, I-I) are both in краткий дунганско-русский словарь (kratkij dungansko-russkij slovarʹ). --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 08:14, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Atitarev: That's equivalent to inferring from the pronunciation of individual characters which is not preferred. I will remove the pronunciation for now (also notifying @Justinrleung). RcAlex36 (talk) 11:52, 4 January 2022 (UTC)