Talk:四字熟語

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The usage notes added in this edit is of encyclopedic nature. Compare "how an idiom is used" and "how to use the word 'idiom' in a sentence". Compare also "how a camera is used" and "how to use the word 'camera' in a sentence". An encyclopedia would provide an answer to the former while a dictionary would provide an answer to the latter. KevinUp (talk) 15:58, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Well, it does help clarify the definition. "Is this a yojijukugo?" —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 00:42, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

@KevinUp: How do you like 下二段活用? -- Huhu9001 (talk) 01:56, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Very well, the usage notes can be kept, but please get someone to check your grammar. Compare the original sentence in Wikipedia:

Yojijukugo in the broad sense simply means any Japanese compound words consisting of four kanji characters. In the narrow or strict sense, however, the term refers only to four-kanji compounds that have a particular (idiomatic) meaning that cannot be inferred from the meanings of the components that make them up.

I'm not sure whether statements such as "opinions on what is camera varies considerably" helps to clarify the definition of camera though. KevinUp (talk) 02:24, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Also, the second sentence "Typically read using ..." is missing its subject, so some readers might interpret it as "The word camera is typically read using ..." rather than "Cameras are typically read using ..." (substitute "camera" with "四字熟語" to see what I mean). KevinUp (talk) 02:34, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

@KevinUp: I don't know. Are "what is camera" or "what camera is " that different? -- Huhu9001 (talk) 02:46, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

I've fixed the grammar. Yes, there's a difference between the two. The former is a question while the latter is a statement, e.g. "What is a camera?" (question) and "Dad told me what a camera is." (statement). KevinUp (talk) 02:56, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

@KevinUp: Obviously your description is not correct. "what" = "the thing that".

• "what is a camera" == "the thing that is a camera"
• "what a camera is" == "the thing that a camera is"

Both are okay. -- Huhu9001 (talk) 09:03, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Can you add punctuation and capitalization to the sentences above? Are these complete sentences or part of a long sentence? Are these questions or statements? Please add the subject to the examples above if it is intended to be interpreted as such. If you want to discuss English grammar please add punctuation and capitalization because punctuation can change the meaning of a sentence in English. KevinUp (talk) 09:15, 25 November 2019 (UTC)