Talk:鷺

Etymology

Hello @UndeadGator, I just reverted your changes to the etymology.

The Gogen Yurai Jiten is an interesting resource, but they sometimes engage in speculation that is not borne out by phonology. That's why I did not include them when I updated the etym in 2021.

• There is no clear mechanism by which sayakeki would become sagi. Sound shifts in Japanese just do not work that way.
• There is no root saya that refers to loud noise. Their entry points to the 騒 kanji, which is used for the verb さわぐ (sawagu). The root sawa shows up in some other terms in relation to noise, such as さわさわ (sawasawa) or ざわざわ (zawazawa). There is an adverb さやさや (sayasaya), but that refers to a rustling sound as of leaves, hardly an appropriate connection with the loud call of an egret.

The rest of the suggested derivations in their entry are similarly problematic. I'd be happy to go over them with you if you'd like.

I have also restored the comparison to Korean term 새 (sae), especially considering that its reconstructed ancient form was something like *saCi.

Cheers, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 20:16, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

The reason I removed the Korean derivation was because it was uncited; I only included the Gogen-Yurai "suggestions" because it was a source that could be cited and their etymologies tread on the same lines of uncertainty as the Korean comparisons.

Also, if you have more background knowledge on the Japanese and Korean lexiconic/grammatical comparisons, please let me know and I would love to discuss it further to get a better understanding. UndeadGator (talk) 21:44, 1 November 2022 (UTC)