Talk:𐤁𐤓𐤆𐤋

Further etymology

@Fay Freak sorry to bother you, could you find a reliable etymology for this Wanderwort ? The latin word is likely borrowed from Phoenician directly rather than from an apparently unattested Punic descendant. The Phoenician word has solid cognates among Central Semitic languages but not further (Arabic, South Semitic, Old South Arabian, etc) though some Wiktionary entries link to an Akkadian cognate –which I added– but I tend to think it is was only attested in Sumerian. This one bears an unknown suffix SUD (actually I can't find anything on it) added to another noun which means iron too.

The best would be to know from reliable sources if the Central Semitic cognates are inherited or if they are the result of borrowings, but peculiarly the ultimate etymology of this Wanderwort if not from Sumerian. Malku H₂n̥rés (talk) 19:42, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

@Malku H₂n̥rés: For one thing, how can they be inherited if Proto-(West-)Semitic was before the Iron Age? You see. For the other, I am confident that this etymology will be covered by uncertainty for the rest of our lives. We have claims of Anatolian origins probably varyingly substantiated in some journals but probably also affected by the Dunning–Kruger effect – “I know mostly Indo-European therefore I can explain everything as Indo-European”. Formally it is clear that it is a borrowed word in Semitic. I have nothing to say about Anatolian, and you would need to know a lot about it to have something. Fay Freak (talk) 19:55, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

@Fay Freak thank you for your fast answer. I hadn't paid attention to the timescales and thought that it was possible to resolve the problems like with silver and other metals Wanderwörter. It explains why we are not able to make a reconstruction for this word. Thus all of this likely come ultimately from Sumerian or Anatolian languages but one cannot say more about the etymology of this Middle East Wanderwort. Malku H₂n̥rés (talk) 21:02, 14 December 2020 (UTC)