Talk:Hồ Chí Minh

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Hồ Chí Minh

this is a proper nounJohnny Shiz (talk) 18:02, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

@Johnny Shiz Nobody said proper nouns are not allowed. Please carefully read WT:CFI. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 21:00, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Proper nouns are allowed, but names with surname and given name are not allowed. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 21:06, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Well... it has a surname that's not his own, and a given name that's not a real given name. CFI does not cover this as far as I can tell, but I would not want George Orwell to be included, so by that logic of rejecting pseudonyms and noms de (plume|guerre), I vote delete. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 05:33, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Question - is Ho Chi Minh City ever just called "Hồ Chí Minh" in Vietnamese (as it often is English)? Smurrayinchester (talk) 08:31, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes. Wyang (talk) 23:23, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

The sense "short name of city" would be fine, but that's not in the entry, and it's not what this RFD is about. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 23:34, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

I have changed {{rfd}} to {{rfd-sense}} for the individual sense. Keep the city sense, if it's valid. The string "tôi (sống) ở Hồ Chí Minh" ("I live in Ho Chi Minh") gives a lot of hits in plain Google searches but nothing in Google books. A better method should be used for verifications. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 01:02, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Who's to say the Google hits weren't all written by bacteria in Mr. Ho's body? ;) I kid. The city sense is fine. - -sche (discuss) 02:45, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Delete (the biographical sense) per WT:CFI: "No individual person should be listed as a sense in any entry whose page title includes both a given name or diminutive and a family name or patronymic. For instance, Walter Elias Disney, the film producer and voice of Mickey Mouse, is not allowed a definition line at Walt Disney." That prohibition does not say "...name or patronymic that was given to the person at birth"; on the contrary, it bans a biographical entry at "Walt Disney" for the man whose legal name was not Walt but rather Walter Disney. I wouldn't want to include Bill Clinton, either, just because that is neither his birth name nor his legal name. - -sche (discuss) 23:59, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

As my little knowledge, Hồ Chí Minh is the designated name by Vietnamese people; it is not actually his birth name or family name at all. So it does not fall in as -sche said. --Octahedron80 (talk) 02:53, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

You appear to have not read what I (quoting CFI) actually said... CFI does not require that the first or last name have been given to him at birth. - -sche (discuss) 06:26, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps I was misunderstanding. Your words made me confused. :) However, I stand for keeping. BTW, should we move the sense to Etymology instead?--Octahedron80 (talk) 06:34, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Delete the person as a sense; could link to him at Wikipedia I suppose. Equinox ◑ 07:12, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

• RFD failed (only the original sense, the person). —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 21:49, 29 August 2016 (UTC)