Talk:Juliet

RFD discussion: December 2019–December 2020

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Juliet

"One of the main characters of William Shakespeare's play Romeo and Juliet." Encyclopaedic material, not dictionary material. (We can keep the figurative senses derived from this, like "a great lover", and explain the character in the etymology, as we do for many other words derived from character names.) Equinox ◑ 05:50, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I don't see much sense in removing it; this sense (2) ties in with sense 4. DonnanZ (talk) 10:50, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

The relation between the character of the play and senses 3 and 4 can be presented in the etymology section; then an entry for the fictional character is superfluous.  --Lambiam 14:59, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Agreed with Lambiam and Equinox. This is etymological, not lexical, information. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 17:23, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Delete, move relevant info to the etymology section. Canonicalization (talk) 11:56, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Keep consistent with WT:NSE and WT:LEMMING, for which see below. This is the name of a fictional character, and the policy is probably WT:CFI#Names of specific entities; WT:CFI#Fictional universes does not seem to apply since Julia is a fictional character but not from fictional universe. For comparison, Cinderella has a fairy tale and a dedicated character sense; there is Category:en:Fictional characters featuring such items, having 139 entries. Some fictional characters were deleted, e.g. Talk:Uncle Scrooge, but there, one RFD first was kept, and only second lead to deletion, with mere two supporters. As for WT:LEMMING, Shakespeare's Juliet is in M-W[1] and Webster’s New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition at collinsdictionary.com[2]. --Dan Polansky (talk) 13:57, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Delete. Ultimateria (talk) 16:47, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Keep - Dentonius (my politics | talk) 13:07, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Keep. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 06:13, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Delete sense and mention in etymology. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 12:41, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Keep per Dan. However, I think lemmings are a much less convincing reason for keeping fictional characters. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 15:34, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

No consensus, after over a year of discussion. This outcome, of course, does not bar adjustments to the wording, layout, and citation of the entry. bd2412 T 17:10, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Related

Related: Wikipedia:Alfa or Alpha? Juliett or Juliet? on the English Wikipedia. --03:55, 16 June 2021 (UTC)