Talk:Nahuatl
Latest comment: 10 years ago by -sche in topic RFV discussion: August–November 2013
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Rfv-sense: "(US politics) All persons descended from pre-Columbian inhabitants of the Western hemisphere." Seems awfully unlikely to me. —Angr 10:22, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not entirely sure what this even means. Would that include Irish, Welsh, English (and so on) people that predate Christopher Columbus? I suspect I'd be part of the Nahuatl in that case, admittedly I don't know my family history that far back, but it's absurdly likely (probably 100% in statistical terms) that I would meet this definition. Mglovesfun (talk) 20:59, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
- Don't be disingenuous; it's clear enough what the definition is trying to say, namely that "Nahuatl" is a term used in U.S. politics synonymously with Native American, American Indian, Amerind, First Nations, etc., but perhaps including the Eskimo and Aleut (who are usually excluded from those terms). But I've certainly never encountered this usage and find it rather difficult to believe. —Angr 22:09, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
- Wasn't disingenuous; it says "Western Hemisphere" rather than "the Americas". It comes across to me as being very deliberate. It doesn't look like words chosen at random to me. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:15, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
- See sense 2 of Western Hemisphere. —Angr 22:19, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
- Going on further, does it really mean "all persons" like a collective noun, "the Nahuatl" (like the French, the Irish) or "a person". If the latter, move the sense to Nahuatl#Noun. But that's if it's attested of course. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:23, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
- See sense 2 of Western Hemisphere. —Angr 22:19, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
- Wasn't disingenuous; it says "Western Hemisphere" rather than "the Americas". It comes across to me as being very deliberate. It doesn't look like words chosen at random to me. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:15, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
- Don't be disingenuous; it's clear enough what the definition is trying to say, namely that "Nahuatl" is a term used in U.S. politics synonymously with Native American, American Indian, Amerind, First Nations, etc., but perhaps including the Eskimo and Aleut (who are usually excluded from those terms). But I've certainly never encountered this usage and find it rather difficult to believe. —Angr 22:09, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
- Sounds like pure tosh. Sans cites, kill on sight. If a citation can be found, I suspect that this usage will ultimately be tracked back to one poorly educated (or deliberately obtuse) politician who misused (misuses?) the term. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 22:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
FWIW, that sense was added by Geoffreybard (talk • contribs) in this edit. After his first (logged-in) edit on 2011-02-13, he was very active for the rest of that February, markedly less so the following months, with his last edit in June 2011.- Randomly checking another of his other edits, I see potential for problems... c.f. arahant, where he misunderstands and mischaracterizes the meaning of bodhisattva (and which he initially also misspells). ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 23:02, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
- Cursed second law of thermodynamics! Mglovesfun (talk) 23:04, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
- Probably not completely tosh. I suppose some Mexican nationalists might claim that they speak for all the indigenous peoples, by virtue of being descended from one group of them. Still, I have my doubts they would use the term itself in this way. Cites will tell. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:02, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
- This usage is absurd and should be removed. Kaldari (talk) 07:39, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
- RFV-failed, deleted. - -sche (discuss) 08:05, 1 November 2013 (UTC)