Talk:OISE

RFD discussion: July–October 2021

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OISE

Not dictionary material. Imetsia (talk) 17:56, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

I think it is better to keep anything such as this. One never knows when they are required. In addition, such entries can be added to if necessary. DonnanZ (talk) 18:17, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Keep if attestable. Our acronym and initialism coverage is pretty poor as it is and I don't think there's any harm in being comprehensive. If individual entries start to get unwieldy, they can be split in other ways. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 04:04, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

• Keep acronyms generally. Obviously, there is nothing from the group of letters itself that allows a person unfamliar with the acronym to parse its meaning. bd2412 T 06:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Keep. Easily found in print. Meaning cannot be reasonably guessed from the letters. Equinox ◑ 10:57, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

I abstain on the RFD, as I have no clear idea which proper nouns we should include, if any, but I would point out that "people may not understand what it means / what it refers to" could equally well apply to Plenty Coups, for example, which was recently deleted. Mihia (talk) 14:22, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

That's quite different. With an abbreviation, it is necessary to know what words the letters stand for. Equinox ◑ 18:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't see it as fundamentally different, but only as a slightly different way in which someone might not understand what a proper name referred to and hence might wish to look it up. Mihia (talk) 21:10, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

To me, there are things that are encyclopedia articles (perhaps the names of famous people, like "Elvis Presley", or buildings like "The O2 in London"), and things that are dictionary words (like "cat", "dog", "on one's own"). The issue with Plenty Coups is whether we want to include proper nouns that are essentially encyclopaedic names, i.e. it has no use in English except to refer to a specific person, just like talking about "John Smith" who lives down the road. This is quite different from OISE where we only need to know what it stands for. If the "stood-for" text is not dictionary-worthy then we won't include the full form, but it's still worth including the short form. Mainstream dictionaries specifically do this. They do not include names like "Plenty Coups". Equinox ◑ 03:12, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

• RFD-kept. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 04:23, 13 October 2021 (UTC)