Talk:State of Japan

RFD discussion: July 2020–May 2021

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State of Japan

Wiktionary is the only result on Google when you search "State of Japan". I believe this comes from a semi-literal translation of 日本国 (Nihon-koku), the name for Japan in Japanese, but does not exist as a phrase in English. There is this redirect page at The Free Dictionary, but I suspect that it was derived from Wiktionary. Goszei (talk) 05:21, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

• Keep. I have added three citations. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 06:04, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Is there a reason to believe that "State of Japan" is more than just a sum-of-parts combination that could be applied to any country? For example, "State of Belgium", "State of Mexico" and "State of Angola" -- just the first three that I tried at random -- all seem readily citable. Also, the present definition reads "De facto official name of Japan under the Constitution of Japan", but shouldn't there be some mention that it is an "English-language name"? Wouldn't the "normal" official constitutional name be the Japanese name? Mihia (talk) 09:44, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

By the way, the official UN English-language list of member country names [1] contains a small number of "State of ~" examples, but Japan is not one of them. Mihia (talk) 09:50, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

• Delete sum of parts. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 11:23, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

  This “sum of parts” argument is absurd. There are several counties whose official name is “State”, such as the State of Israel and the State of Qatar. The name State of Japan has been sporadically used by the Japanese government. See the citations there, and check the use of official names of other countries carefully:

  • the Kingdom of Belgium and the State of Japan
  • the Islamic Republic of Iran and the State of Japan

  They never say “State of Belgium” in official documents. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 01:49, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

The sum-of-parts argument is hardly "absurd". In fact, it is very plausible, and is only disputable with specialist knowledge of the exact status of the phrase. Mihia (talk) 10:40, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

We don't include full names. We don't have entries for Donald Trump or Joe Biden, for example. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 15:10, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

On one hand, countries/nations can have many such designations and it seems obvious many, if not all, would be SOP, e.g. "the Japanese Nation", "the Nation of Japan", "the Country of Japan" etc also exist and seem SOP. OTOH, Talk:State of Israel was kept in 2012, and Talk:Republic of Iceland in 2013, on the grounds that official names have some claim to being fixed phrases and maybe passing some tests of idiomaticity... but the fact that official documents use multiple names might suggest this one is SOP... meh... - -sche (discuss) 16:11, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Keep -- Dentonius (my politics | talk) 17:14, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

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• Delete. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 15:51, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• If it were without "rare" and "De facto", rather keep because of other officialese terms like Federal Republic of Germany, or delete of much more terms. For now, undecided. --幽霊四 (talk) 02:52, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

• Keep - "Nippon-koku" (State of Japan), "Nippon" (Japan). Need to distinguish former Empire of Japan "Dai Nippon Teikoku". Facts707 (talk) 01:47, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

No consensus. This horse has staggered on long enough. bd2412 T 06:52, 14 May 2021 (UTC)