Talk:Zen Buddhism
Latest comment: 6 years ago by BD2412 in topic Zen Buddhism
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SOP; just [[Zen]] [[Buddhism]]. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 09:15, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. My feeling is to keep it at least as a translation hub but I am not sure I find enough supporting translations. When I was entering the Czech translation today, I was almost certain there is "zenbuddhismus", which is a manner of compounding no so common in Czech; it further occurred to me there could be "zenový buddhismus", and I verified that to exist. Thus, by having the entry, we spare someone the little lexico-work I did today. Furthermore, the lemming heuristics applies: present in Collins[1]; en.oxforddictionaries.com has it as an "also" item in boldface in its Zen entry[2]. --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:06, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
- It might not be sum of parts depending on how other Buddhists view Zen. By analogy, most Christians do not view Christian Scientists as Christians. I believe most Buddhists, or at least most Theravada Buddhists, do not view Zen followers as Buddhists. So Zen would be non-Buddhist Buddhism in a similar to how Christian Science is non-Christian Christianity. I've attended Mahayana Buddhist services before and they admitted to me when I attended their services that nobody outside Mahayana view them as Buddhists, and Zen is classified as Mahayana on Simple English wikipedia. Leucostictes (talk) 06:42, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
- The Zen Buddhism article does not say it isn't Buddhism. Please stop making these controversial edits to major topics based on your own unsourced view. Equinox ◑ 12:23, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
- Zen (not zen) is much more common (c. 10x) than Zen Buddhism on Google N-Grams. Many dictionaries have an entry for Zen Buddhism, usually defined as "Zen". Zen in turn is defined as "a (Japanese) sect/school of (Mahayana) Buddhism". Zen Buddhism seems like a pleonasm. Many contributors argue that apricot tree and PIN number merit entries. This seems similar. DCDuring (talk) 12:41, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
- Don't we need entries for Mahayana Buddhism and Mahayana, too, precisely because some/many consider Mahayana Buddhism a misnomer? DCDuring (talk) 12:47, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
- Other dictionaries treat Mahayana Buddhism and Mahayana as parallel to Zen Buddhism and Zen. DCDuring (talk) 12:52, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
- Don't we need entries for Mahayana Buddhism and Mahayana, too, precisely because some/many consider Mahayana Buddhism a misnomer? DCDuring (talk) 12:47, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
- We already do have a Mahayana article. Leucostictes (talk) 23:19, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
- Zen (not zen) is much more common (c. 10x) than Zen Buddhism on Google N-Grams. Many dictionaries have an entry for Zen Buddhism, usually defined as "Zen". Zen in turn is defined as "a (Japanese) sect/school of (Mahayana) Buddhism". Zen Buddhism seems like a pleonasm. Many contributors argue that apricot tree and PIN number merit entries. This seems similar. DCDuring (talk) 12:41, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
- If my view that Zen is not Buddhism isn't held then Zen Buddhism is just sum of parts. I think it should be deleted.Leucostictes (talk) 23:20, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
- The Zen Buddhism article does not say it isn't Buddhism. Please stop making these controversial edits to major topics based on your own unsourced view. Equinox ◑ 12:23, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
No consensus to delete. bd2412 T 23:05, 26 December 2017 (UTC)