Talk:bakya

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@Mlgc1998 Just wondering where you got "bakiya", the alternative spelling, and "sakya" added in synonyms. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 12:44, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser in the cited page of the Chan-Yap (1980) paper Mlgc1998 (talk) 15:10, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mlgc1998: I see. For "sakya", I think we at least need to get an attestation somewhere of it used or in a dictionary, since it's in none of the dictionaries I'm aware of. I'm thinking maybe Chan-Yap found it somewhere, I hope we find it. For "bakiya", the thing is, all the attestations I can find of "bakiya" online and in publications are from Hiligaynon or Cebuano, so I don't think it should be in the Tagalog entry, unless we can find usage, attestation, etc. I don't think we can use Chan-Yap as an authoritative Tagalog source since obviously it's not, so we should look somewhere else to verify. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 22:47, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mlgc1998: To update you, I've checked all the sources I know, for "sakya"/"sakiya"/"saquia", I found it but it means "to finish a task" or "a type of work song", so no "clogs". For "bakiya", also can't find it elsewhere. Removing it for now. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 09:33, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser No worries, it seems like that word and spelling may be obsolete or archaic now anyways, possibly sparsely recorded in older publications that either may or may not be freely publicly available online yet, like with a paywall or not in physical print form we have on hand. Here is a shorter 1977 paper of Gloria Chan-Yap's paper. The brief introduction, footnotes, and references explain that 2 sources for Tagalog were mainly consulted:

• Panganiban, Jose Villa (1972), "Diksiyunario-Tesauro Tagalog-Ingles." Q.C.: Manlapaz Publishing Co.
• Manuel, E. Arsenio (1948), "Chinese elements in the Tagalog language." Manila: Filipiniana Publications.

or possibly even:

• Thorp, John (1972), "The lexical content of Tagalog and the culture of the Philippines." Unpublished paper. Ateneo de Manila University.

who studied:

• Panganiban, Jose Villa (1966), "Talahuluganang Pilipino-Ingles"

The 3rd footnote claims that " ³All the items in the present corpus also appear in the dictionary." I'm not sure if Chan-Yap (1977/1980) means that verbatimly, tho sadly, I don't have full access to the sources above, but from what I can see in what Google Books offers as a search feature for Manuel (1948) (that may or may not fully recognize scanned print text), it lists "Bakyâ"/"bakya" on two pages there, tho I'm not sure if there's other pages there or on the other source that's obscured from public view. If "bakiya" is not found in those sources at all, Chan-Yap (1977/1980) may have tried to correct the spelling as per prevailing formal "Tagalog orthography" norms during the 1970s. As for "sakiya"/"sakya" as wooden clogs, couldn't find it online as well besides Chan-Yap's works and referencing Buddha or the school or as a contraction of sakyan. It might be hidden in older books not publicly online yet, or otherwise faded into obscurity from limited modern written and/or oral use. It could be added again if ever discovered in future available sources. Mlgc1998 (talk) 11:14, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser I tried to search through Manuel (1948) again. If you type "clog" in the search bar, "Sakyâ." comes up in page 48. Mlgc1998 (talk) 20:06, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mlgc1998: Nice find. To be honest, I remember combing through relatively unknown references like these and finding Tagalog words not found in any other dictionary. Probably because either the usage was too dialectal, too colloquial, or too technical for common usage. But yeah, good references. Feel free to make an entry for it. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 02:32, 22 February 2022 (UTC)