Talk:brakować
Latest comment: 2 years ago by Vininn126
- @Shumkichi I'm interested in your input for this and zabraknąć as to transitivity as well as the declension table. Perhaps we should use a defective template so that only third person forms show up? Vininn126 (talk) 11:08, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hmm, impersonal verbs are problematic because they take a dummy subject that is unmarked (e.g. "Ø zabrakło mi pół minuty do blablabla", where Ø is to be understood as an unrealised "to" or something like that, but it would be ungrammatical to insert it there hence the impersonal status). Even though many such verbs seem to be transitive as they are used in conjunction with a noun in the genitive or dative case, some authors treat them as intransitive because the real subject of sentences with these verbs is the fake "object" (e.g. "zabrakło MI"). It's very similar to the Spanish construction "A mi ME GUSTA algo" (="MNIE się podoba"). As for the declension table, I don't know how to make one . Shumkichi (talk) 22:08, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- That's exactly the problem I was facing. While it can take arguments (name the genitive), it doesn't much feel like transitivity is happening here. Perhaps we should switch it to intransitive. For the conjugation tables, I guess let's just leave a note as it is now.Vininn126 (talk) 18:18, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hmm, impersonal verbs are problematic because they take a dummy subject that is unmarked (e.g. "Ø zabrakło mi pół minuty do blablabla", where Ø is to be understood as an unrealised "to" or something like that, but it would be ungrammatical to insert it there hence the impersonal status). Even though many such verbs seem to be transitive as they are used in conjunction with a noun in the genitive or dative case, some authors treat them as intransitive because the real subject of sentences with these verbs is the fake "object" (e.g. "zabrakło MI"). It's very similar to the Spanish construction "A mi ME GUSTA algo" (="MNIE się podoba"). As for the declension table, I don't know how to make one . Shumkichi (talk) 22:08, 27 June 2021 (UTC)