Talk:even as
Latest comment: 3 years ago by Dentonius in topic RFD discussion: June–December 2020
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Nominated by Backinstadiums as SOP. --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:17, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- even reads "(archaic) Exactly, just, fully", but we rightly skip just as. --Backinstadiums (talk) 11:24, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- But even as is not quite the same as just as. You cannot substitute it in common idiomatic uses as in Even as we speak, ... . Also, in just as, just is not archaic. The similar-looking use of even in even though, which has a rather different meaning, makes this even more confusing for learners of English. --Lambiam 08:06, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep; definitely passes the lemming test. --Lambiam 08:06, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. I think this could be tricky to disentangle. The present examples for that "archaic" definition of even ("Exactly, just, fully") are all archaic uses, including the one that uses "even as", i.e. "I fulfilled my instructions even as I had promised". Yet there are modern uses of "even as" too, such as "Even as I spoke, the heavens opened". Does "even" have a clearly different meaning in all modern uses of "even as", compared to the archaic uses, and if not then what is the differentiator between modern and archaic? One could also perhaps look at the sense of "as". In "Even as I spoke, the heavens opened", "as" refers to time, while in "I fulfilled my instructions even as I had promised" it refers to manner. At minimum, I think that even as, if it is to be kept, is missing an archaic sense. Mihia (talk) 17:55, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- FYI, I have amended the existing definition of even as, previously reading "occurring at the same time as something", which is not substitutable and apparently not even the correct PoS, and also added an archaic definition. Plus, I have changed the PoS from adverb to conjunction. Leaning keep for the entry as a whole. Mihia (talk) 19:14, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - Dentonius (my politics | talk) 16:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
RFD kept — Dentonius 09:40, 16 December 2020 (UTC)