Talk:fair trial

RFD discussion: July–November 2017

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fair trial

I feel like a total, complete moron for the above mistake. I must be really, really tired and need to get some sleep immediately. I meant to write "fair trial".

As below:

"I would not be bold to create fair trial myself, but if you feel free trial in English is idiomatic, then someone please do add it. It's sort of weird to be adding a two-worded entry for another language to which its English translated counterpart has no entry on RFD. I feel it'd be easier if somebody just created fair trial and then we labelled that for deletion. I know, in technicality, the entry doesn't exist yet, so I suppose this vote is more or less about if it should exist. I feel this would be an interesting debate. See also Right to a fair trial.

Should we have this entry here or not? If someone creates the entry, be sure to label it with Template:rfd. If someone creates it it will make this a whole lot less confusing. PseudoSkull (talk) 06:51, 21 July 2017 (UTC)" PseudoSkull (talk) 07:28, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

• “fair trial”, in OneLook Dictionary Search.
• I think that any non-SoP sense is strictly in a legal context, at least in the US. The definition should be somewhat formal. There are several elements that are needed for a trial to be fair under the law. They might differ according to the legal tradition, nature of the trial (civil, criminal) etc. DCDuring (talk) 14:48, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

I have had a stab at creating a general entry - though legal definitions will differ from country to country.

• Keep SemperBlotto (talk) 14:52, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
• Yes, keep this. DonnanZ (talk) 23:04, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
• I think that this is problematic, to say the least. The elements constituting a "fair" trial vary enough from one country to the next that the definition would ultimately boil down to a "trial" that is "fair" under the laws of the place where it is being held. Not all systems require a public trial for "fairness". In common law countries, one would generally consider it unfair if they were not afforded a right to a trial by jury (complete with peremptory challenges and sequestration), though most of the world does not have the jury trial element at all. bd2412 T 01:48, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

  Why not just put in one or more common-law definitions, this being English Wiktionary, with other jurisdictions being included under {{&lit|fair|trial}}? DCDuring (talk) 11:34, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• Keep. Mostly because it doesn't quite compare to a "fun trial" or "boring trial". As for the definition, I don't disagree with BD2412 but I don't think that's a reason not to include it. "A civil or criminal trial that is held in accordance with the laws of the country." Which doesn't mean it's fair by anyone else's standards. You can have a fair trial in Turkey or North Korea. You probably wouldn't call it fair. Anyone from Western Europe could get a trial in the U.S. and may or may not consider it fair because the U.S. legal system is very different and still has possibilities for the death sentence. It would be a fair trial, but it wouldn't be a fair trial. (see what I did there?) W3ird N3rd (talk) 19:28, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

• Delete and I think our definition is overly specific. --WikiTiki89 19:31, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Care to explain your point of view? I agree with the current definition being too specific. I'll replace it with mine, but @BD2412 and @SemperBlotto should feel free to revert to their version if they feel it's much worse. W3ird N3rd (talk) 21:34, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

• Keep John Cross (talk) 19:33, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

  Kept. No consensus.--Jusjih (talk) 04:05, 8 November 2017 (UTC)