Talk:mauvaise honte

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Ignoring the fact that I've never heard of it, the source at the bottom of the page lists this as English, not French. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:58, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

• It's English, but all the quotations in the OED have it in italics as if it were borrowed from the French. (Their definition is "False shame or modesty. Also: extreme or unreasonable diffidence; painful shyness", and the etymology is given as French). SemperBlotto 08:28, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

It's also French, and worth keeping... Lmaltier 17:50, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

??? I beg your pardon, Lmaltier. And what would be the meaning of that expression? --Actarus ^{(Prince d'Euphor)} 07:50, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I could not define it precisely, and I don't use this word. But I know it's common, I knew it. Try to google it, you'll find many examples (and a dictionary definition in the 1st page). Lmaltier 22:07, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I believe the French word is cited. I have added one quotation of the English word that is not italic. - -sche 20:23, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I believe the English word is now cited. - -sche 20:45, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Those citations support a sense of "bashfulness" or "shyness" rather than of "false modesty", so I've changed the def accordingly. —Ruakh_TALK 16:55, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

I have removed the request tag. - -sche 01:45, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

pronunciation

(Notifying PUC, Jberkel, Nicodene): Is there really a pronounced schwa at the end of mauvaise? I'm aware the h in honte is "aspirated" but I don't see why that would force a pronounced schwa. Benwing2 (talk) 07:18, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

It may not be the only possible pronunciation, but it's certainly one of them. The schwa is to prevent /z/ from 'enchaining' to the next syllable. Nicodene (talk) 08:21, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

@Nicodene, Benwing2: A schwa sounds a bit weird to me, and even weirder in bonne honte. PUC – 10:48, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

@PUC Do you make a brief pause instead, or how? Nicodene (talk) 17:46, 29 May 2022 (UTC)