Talk:museum

Tea room discussion

Note: the below discussion was moved from the Wiktionary:Tea room.

Etymology looks incorrect to me; at the very least, there would be an intermediate Latin etymon. † ﴾^(u):Raifʻhār ^(t):Doremítzwr﴿ 19:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I added Latin, and there's more at etymonline.[1] —Michael Z. 2008-10-23 20:56 z

English pronunciation

I'm not American, but I'd suggest for the pronunciation to have the "ɪ" changed for an "iː". I'll add that as the UK pronunciation, anyway. N4m3 (talk) 22:33, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

I would understand an i maybe, but I'm sure it is not normally an iː. The 'e' in museum is normally the the same length as the last vowel and shorter than the first. I'm going to revert this to an ɪ for now, in line with the Oxford Dictionary of English.TywysogMelyn (talk) 09:35, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Oxford has /i:/ (full OED Online entry has Brit. /mjuːˈziːəm/, /mjᵿˈziːəm/, U.S. /mjuˈziəm/ – what version are you using?) Ibadibam (talk) 07:29, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Recently, I've heard two people from New England pronouncing this word as [mjuˈzɛəm] or something very close to that. One was in a private conversation with a twenty-something man from Boston, and it's not recorded. Another is a recording of the Rhode Island History Podcast, in an interview with a woman who is professionally related to museums; skip to 6:50 into the recording, and you'll hear it soon after that.

Looks like this pronunciation is real, but I wonder whether there's proper documentation for it outside of Wiktionary.

I'm less sure about /mjuˈzæm/, but I'm neither American nor a professional English linguist, so I don't know about that one.

Tagging people who were previously involved in editing English pronunciations: @N4m3, @Ibadibam, @TywysogMelyn, @Hazarasp, @Human-potato hybrid, @ApricotOstrich. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 10:24, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

/mjuˈzæm/ is intended to be a phonemic representation of /mjuˈzɛəm/ rather than a precise phonetic description of the pronunciation; in this context, [ɛə] is analysed as a allophone of the phoneme /æ/ as it doesn't contrast with it before nasals in many American dialects. Hazarasp (parlement · werkis) 12:58, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Is this phoneme distinguished from the two in the middle of “pay 'em”? N4m3 (talk) 13:22, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, though they could be phonetically identical ("neutralised") in this context in quick speech. Hazarasp (parlement · werkis) 13:25, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

A tidbit supporting the analysis of this word as containing /æ/ is pronunciation spellings such as mewzam or musam. Hazarasp (parlement · werkis) 13:31, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Swedish pronunciation

I removed the pronunciation file Sv-museem.ogg because it apparently ends in /r/ while the IPA on the page has final /m/. I'm not sure where the sound files come from, so if anyone can get the correct file it should be added back as a bullet point like so: * {{audio|Sv-museum.ogg|Audio|lang=sv}}.

Thanks in advance. ApricotOstrich (talk) 04:36, 14 January 2019 (UTC)