Talk:pitiyanqui

RFV discussion: January–March 2020

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pitiyanqui

rfv of both noun senses. This term is no doubt in use, but I think the definitions are wrong and should be replaced.

Etymologically, this seems to indicate someone (alleged to be) in favor of the US, with the matter of opposition to "dictatorships" being incidental. In general, I think we should avoid using loaded words like dictatorship where possible, to preserve NPOV, and if this does, indeed, mean "pro-US", we might also be buying into assertions that opposition to a regime is solely a product of US interference. Chuck Entz (talk) 18:42, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

@Ultimateria, another one that your research would be helpful on. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 04:39, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

For the Puerto Rican definition I'd certainly want to know which "dictatorship" is being talked about. There was certainly opposition to Spanish rule in the latter half of the 19th century, but I've never heard Spanish rule called a "dictatorship" before. At any rate, I agree it's a loaded term that we should probably avoid here. —Mahāgaja · talk 07:15, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz, Metaknowledge: The definitions were the opposite of their actual meaning. Maduro famously (well, I learned this today) called his pro-US opponents pitiyanquis. I've added a few quotes and some sources to the etymology. Ultimateria (talk) 00:22, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

I wouldn't say opposite. As I alluded to above above, it would coincide if you assumed that being in favor of the US inherently meant being opposed to dictatorship (I wish it were that simple). The problem is that it's something else entirely: an insult used to paint someone as a mindless follower of US imperialism: a "little Yankee". What prompted the RFV was an IP changing the definitions to a more accurate, but ideologically loaded wording. Although I would personally categorize the Venezuelan leaders as dictators, and I certainly don't agree with everything the US has done in Latin America, that has nothing to do with the what should be in a dictionary entry. I think you did a good job of fixing the entry. Chuck Entz (talk) 01:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

• RFV-kept/resolved. Thank you! —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 01:53, 29 March 2020 (UTC)