Talk:plantation

RFV discussion: May–June 2022

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plantation

Rfv-sense "A colony established thus." I think this sense must be obsolete or dated, because I would never have dreamed that this word could be a synonym for "colony". I imagine cites for this outside of the obvious ones related to Rhode Island will have to come from some old old books or documents I probably can't search up. Is such a sense for this word a former reality in English? Should the definition be made clearer? --Geographyinitiative (talk) 18:39, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Its very old, yes, but it wasnt just Rhode Island. The Wikipedia disambiguation page at w:Plantation (disambiguation) gives more details. Another Wikipedia article, w:Plantation (Maine), suggests that the sense had become obsolete even before the American Revolution and that it had evolved to mean a settled community that was not yet recognized as a town. It may be that the sense of colony here is not a large state but a single settlement by colonists. —Soap— 20:26, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

This sense of the noun is related to sense 7 of the verb to plant: “To furnish with a fixed and organized population; to settle; to establish.”  --Lambiam 07:44, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Related: w:Church planting. DCDuring (talk) 13:44, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Probably the biggest example is the Plantations of Ireland. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:15, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

• “plantation”, in The Century Dictionary […], New York, N.Y.: The Century Co., 1911, →OCLC. has dated and historical senses we don't have. DCDuring (talk) 14:49, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
• "Plymouth Plantation" is another example that could definitely be cited using Of Plymouth Plantation, Mourt's Relation, Charter of the Massachusetts Bay Company, etc. 98.170.164.88 08:51, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I am going to try to find some actual cites to add to that entry. Feel free to join in. I will generally follow the lines of inquiry proposed here. I want to also say that I recognize that this is a sensitive term since African peoples were used as slaves on plantations, and I will try to do my best to be cognizant of that violent history. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 12:55, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

I found three cites which seem appropriate to the definition and hence I am personally satisfied that this definition, via the above dictionaries and the three cites given, has met the basic threshold of being attested for Wiktionary purposes. As to qualifiers, I can't really say because I don't have a lot of experience with this word. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 14:06, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

RFV-passed, marked historical. This, that and the other (talk) 01:42, 7 June 2022 (UTC)