Talk:relative future tense

RFD discussion: February 2021–January 2022

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relative future tense

SOP; it's just the relative form of the future tense. (And incidentally, it's only in Scottish Gaelic, not in other Celtic languages; the equivalent form in Irish is the relative form of the present tense.) —Mahāgaja · talk 08:27, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

You may analyse it as a tense in its own right (my preference) or as a mere form of the future tense, but if you choose the latter you need to add a sense to relative, because "(grammar) That relates to an antecedent." with antecedent defined as "(grammar) A word, phrase or clause referred to by a pronoun." certainly doesn't cover cases like "ma thogras tu / if you want (to)". --Droigheann (talk) 10:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

It's true that relative forms in Goidelic languages are used in certain subordinate clauses without relative semantics, such as "if" clauses and "when" clauses, but that's true of all relative forms, not just this one. But calling it a tense in its own right is simply absurd. The tense is future; the form is the form traditionally called "relative" though "subordinate" might have been clearer. —Mahāgaja · talk 15:58, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Well I'm no linguist, so I found it no more 'simply absurd' than calling the conditional mood the conditional tense, claiming that because (I drink because I'm thirsty) is a conjunction but therefore (I'm thirsty, therefore I drink) is an adverb, or calling sharp end of one's tongue a noun rather than a noun phrase, but have it your way. All I'm saying is that if this entry is deleted, the reader will no longer find information about the concept here. --Droigheann (talk) 21:57, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Delete and define at relative. DAVilla 09:17, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

• Keep — Dentonius 13:45, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. There are also several conjugations in Coptic that are called "relative tenses", we should not want to have separate entries for each of those either. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 13:12, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
• Delete. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 00:41, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
• RFV - Relative future tense Wikipedia doesn't have this term (maybe it should?). Anyway if there is a Scottish Gaelic or other language translation that isn't SOP, then sure. Facts707 (talk) 15:14, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

  @Facts707 Why would you bother sending this to RFV? The collocation is obviously attested, the problem is that it is SOP. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 09:45, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

  @Lingo Bingo Dingo I mean if there's a Scottish Gaelic or other language translation that is not SOP from terms in that language. Cheers, Facts707 (talk) 11:52, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

RFD-deleted. --Fytcha (talk) 03:00, 3 January 2022 (UTC)