Talk:shoe size

RFD discussion: September 2019–January 2020

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shoe size

NISoP, as above. "Size of shoe". Specification to a person comes with the preceding determinative, like your, your friend's, Pat's. If the preceding determinative is a number, the, a the NISoP part of the definition limiting it to a person's fit does not fit. DCDuring (talk) 01:31, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Delete, though the French word lends support to keeping this as a translation target, I am sceptical that there are idiomatic translations. (I don't think translations equivalent to "shoe number" are enough.) ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 07:41, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Inclined to keep this, if only for translations. And with my big feet, shoe size can be a problem. There is also an entry for shoesize. DonnanZ (talk) 09:24, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

• The plural shoesizes may exist (see 1939, Our Family, p. 180: "We printed our shoesizes on the smooth untouched snow"); shoesize appears to be a distinct term of art in data management. bd2412 T 03:27, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
• Keep - in the UK at least, it normally refers to a specific scale, people would not say their shoe size was 15cm by 8cm by 5cm. Even the word order suggests standardisation - you would not normally say "What's your TV size?". Also, if a child had grown out of the child's current shoes, the shoe size would not be the size of the shoes but of the child's feet. John Cross (talk) 05:32, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

• Delete Those sizes are covered in the 6th noun definition at size. Imagine in the future someone invents a new article of clothing called an "ergsblartz" and some else wants to borrow one from a neighbor. The neighbor might ask "What's your ergsblartz size?". Also, I can imagine the following conversation: Women A: "My daughter's going to be in a play, but she needs wardrobe". Women B: "I might have something. What's her size?". No lexical connection to any specific word for an article of clothing. Yes, shoes are measured by different units than pants, but that's not lexical information, any more than the fact that men's and women's sizes are different, or European and US sizes. Oh, and in the era of large-screen TV, people do talk about their TV size (I believe it's measured across the diagonal of the screen). Chuck Entz (talk) 22:19, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

I've never heard "TV size" (it's always "How big is your TV" not "What's your TV('s) size"). Andrew Sheedy (talk) 17:05, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

I agree with Andrew. "What is your house size?" has around ten results on Google but "How big is your house?" has over one million. John Cross (talk) 05:25, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

• Keep per WT:COALMINE given shoesize and shoe size,(shoesize*100) at Google Ngram Viewer. --Dan Polansky (talk) 06:29, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Delete. --Robbie SWE (talk) 09:57, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Is this a COALMINE (WT:CFI#Idiomaticity) override? COALMINE seems to have large support, as per Wiktionary:Votes/2019-08/Rescinding the "Coalmine" policy. --Dan Polansky (talk) 06:46, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Keep with coalmine, delete otherwise. The translation target argument is weak here; we could just have a translation table at "size" glossed "shoe size". Andrew Sheedy (talk) 17:05, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

• Weak keep as it refers to a system of numbering/lettering. Mihia (talk) 19:25, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
• Keep for me, partly because here shoe = any footwear (we don't say "boot size" or "slipper size", nor "sock size", or even "foot size"). But, then we'd also need dress size, and perhaps some others, like hat size. Perhaps a can of worms, but perhaps not since there are only a limited number of basic clothes terms. - Sonofcawdrey (talk) 09:09, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
• Keep. Not NiSOP because one does not mean any shoe size but a gradated shoe size as expressed by special measure systems. Beside this it can also be used as SOP. Like: The shoe size of a horse. Fay Freak (talk) 22:43, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

• Kept by consensus, lemmings and COALMINE. --ReloadtheMatrix (talk) 10:53, 3 January 2020 (UTC)