Talk:some

Determiner, example 6

Well, at least some came. You can only justify an analysis of "some" as determiner here, if you assume an ellipsis ("some people came"). This would border to poetic license, I guess. Thus "some" needs to be an w:indefinite pronoun in this case! --134.96.164.108 14:06, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. For now, I have removed the example, because it is at least confusing as the sole example. I believe that what the example contained an illustration of what grammarians call a "fused head" construction. The specific variety using "some" is discussed on page 414 of the CGEL.

I am not sure that the sense is really distinct from the others, though its addition probably indicates intelligibility/clarity problems in the wording of the other senses. I actually think of "some" as meaning at least two, probably because I would expect the past perfect to be "some have come", not *"some has come". I would think the use "at least one" to be deceptive. DCDuring TALK 16:59, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Determiner, quotation at sense 1

University brands built in some cases over centuries have been forced to contemplate the possibility that[…]

I'm having difficulty with the above sentence, which looks like it has two verbs, "build" and "be" ( in "have been forced"). IMO, that's not an desirable quotation. --Jerome Potts (talk) 22:45, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Is it clearer if I add some optional words? "University brands that have been built, in some cases, over the course of many centuries, have been forced to..." Equinox ◑ 22:52, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes it is, along with the commas, thank you. --Jerome Potts (talk) 00:04, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Alternative pronunciations

John Wells mentions that this word has a weak form /səm/ ([səm], [sm̩]), and that for some speakers it may undergo assimilation (/səŋ kaɪnd əv/). Worth including? — Ungoliant ^(falai) 13:24, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

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some#Determiner

See Talk:some#Determiner, quotation at sense 1. Thanks in advance, --Jerome Potts (talk) 22:50, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

The usage example is clear enough, isn't it? I agree that the quotation is too damned long for a quick understanding of how some is being used. Furthermore only the expression in some cases, which is not even grammatically essential in the sentence, gives any good context. Some would be better illustrated in an NP that was the subject or object of a verb. DCDuring TALK 23:45, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

User Equinox helped me there. To answer your question, no, the usage example is not clear. --Jerome Potts (talk) 00:09, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

We probably have to revisit the determiner L3 section. I don't feel up to it now and may never. DCDuring TALK 00:21, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

some odd

Should some odd be added? --Backinstadiums (talk) 18:42, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Some Professor Thinks He's Proven Shakespeare Was a Stoner

What meaning is used in Some Professor Thinks He's Proven Shakespeare Was a Stoner? --Backinstadiums (talk) 18:48, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

determiner 4: A certain, an unspecified or unknown. -- Mocha2007 (talk) 15:43, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Adverb (informal) 2. somewhat 2. considerably

1. to some degree or extent: I like baseball some. She is feeling some better today. 
2. to a great degree or extent: That's going some.
https://www.wordreference.com/definition/some

--Backinstadiums (talk) 12:32, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

You refer to a piece of information as some news

You refer to a piece of information as some news --Backinstadiums (talk) 18:12, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

countability info. for the determiner

1. used with uncountable nouns or plural countable nouns to mean ‘an amount of’ or ‘a number of’, when the amount or number is not given 
2. used with singular nouns to refer to a person, place, thing or time that is not known or not identified
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/some_1?q=some

--Backinstadiums (talk) 21:19, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

5. (Logic) Being part and perhaps all of a class.

5. (Logic) Being part and perhaps all of a class. --Backinstadiums (talk) 12:10, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Pronoun: 2. An indefinite quantity.3. An indefinite amount, a part.

Aren't the pronominal second and third meanings the same? --Backinstadiums (talk) 09:45, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Pronoun: [used in place of a plural noun] 3. an unspecified number, amount, etc., in addition to the rest He paid a thousand dollars and then some. --Backinstadiums (talk) 09:50, 20 June 2021 (UTC)