Talk:ting

thing

Can this also be a colloquial form of thing, or is it spelt thing even then it's pronounced /tɪŋ/. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:19, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Certainly some folks pronounce "th" as "t" - see w: Pronunciation of English th, and an author could transcribe that in dialog, but the same could be said for "fing" in London. I don't think we would capture these alternative pronunciations in the dictionary. Kjtobo (talk) 13:34, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

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ting

Rfv-sense: The apartment in a Chinese temple where the idol is kept. GreyishWorm (talk) 22:49, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

This is from Webster, who provides no evidence. Some targeted searches in Google Books turned up nothing, but I'm not confident to fail this without someone else taking a look; Webster didn't usually make things up afaik. (Note: I strongly suspect that it is derived from a different character than 鼎 (dǐng).) This, that and the other (talk) 08:33, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

This dictionary by Webster's rival Joseph Emerson Worcester cites the term to "Ed. Ency." Anyone know what that is? 98.170.164.88 08:49, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Edinburgh Encyclopedia! [1] 98.170.164.88 08:53, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

It's very likely from 廳／厅 (tīng, “hall, large room”)! Perhaps via Cantonese. I found this by noticing that w:Shipai_Village#Culture used the word ting, checking the Cantonese Wikipedia entry, and seeing that it was a direct translation. Also, searching for "ting(s)" in combination with William Chambers, pagoda, China, etc. yields some more results on Google Books. I think it might be salvageable. Sadly, a lot of the results are italicized so this may be a technical fail. 98.170.164.88 09:12, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm less certain of the Chinese character now, since I also found 亭 (tíng, “pavilion”) and 庭 (tíng, “big hall”) which could potentially fit, and to a lesser extent 廷 (tíng, “palace courtyard”). I'll leave that to others who are more qualified. 98.170.164.88 09:29, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

This is good progress! Care must be taken that OED has an entry ting with what appears to be a completely different sense [2]. This is given as deriving from Hanyu Pinyin tíng, presumably 亭 (tíng).

In terms of seeking out the Chinese etymon for the impugned sense in this RFV, it might be worth noting that what was rendered in earlier romanisation systems as ting could equally correspond to Hanyu Pinyin ting or ding. This, that and the other (talk) 11:56, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

RFV Failed, and the second quotation does not match the definition. Ioaxxere (talk) 22:41, 9 February 2023 (UTC)