Talk:transition

Sports

"A change from defense to attack, or attack to defense." Is this distinct from the first sense? How? Can this be cited in a way that the citations do not back up the first sense also? Mglovesfun (talk) 23:05, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

RFD discussion: January–March 2014

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transition

Rfd-sense: verb, (LGBT) To change from one gender role to another, or bring one's outward appearance in line with one's internal gender identity..

This seems to be redundant to (intransitive, chiefly US) To make a transition., which refers to the existing noun sense. The chiefly US label is retarded and should be deleted, though. -- Liliana • 09:36, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

• Delete. To be honest, I don't think even the noun sense should be kept, it's redundant to the primary sense of "The process of change from one form, state, style or place to another". --WikiTiki89 15:33, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
• Needs citations before I can really decide. Is it used intransitively without specifying? Like, can you say, ‘Has he transitioned yet?’ to mean ‘has he undergone a planned sex change’? If this is common it might be worth a separate sense. If it's always just ‘transition from male to female’ with the sexes specified, then probably delete. Ƿidsiþ 15:39, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

I lean towards keeping this. The verb is more common than the noun, in my experience (especially outside of the adjective-like phrases "pre-transition" and "post-transition"), so I don't think it would make sense to have the noun POS section do the legwork for this sense; indeed, I'd sooner get rid of the noun sense than the verb sense. And (pinging User:Widsith) the citations I just added demonstrate that the nature of the transition is commonly unspecified.
Btw, citations of "transition from male to female" clearly use the first sense rather than the RFDed sense, because subbing the RFDed sense into such sentences results in "change from one gender role to another from male to female", which is repetitive/gibberish. OTOH, the last citation is "after he transitioned, he changed jobs so he could go stealth, hoping that no one would discover he was once a woman". In citations like that, I think it's clear that "transition" means more than just "make a transition" — changing jobs is itself a "transition", yet is specifically distinguished from and subsequent to the action the citation refers to as transitioning. - -sche (discuss) 04:07, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

• Keep, but maybe "gender role" should be changed to "gender". Donnanz (talk) 00:34, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Two people in favour of deletion (Liliana, WikiTiki), one uncertain vote (Widsith, who bolded "delete" but whose conditions for keeping I think I've demonstrated are met), two people in favour of keeping (me, Donnanz). Seems like a case of no consensus to me. Detagged. - -sche (discuss) 21:37, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Struck as "kept; no consensus to delete". - -sche (discuss) 17:57, 17 March 2014 (UTC)