Talk:tubig

@-sche Two Central Subanen sections. DTLHS (talk) 04:39, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

...and they give the same meaning. Presumably the result of a language rename/merger that left the later of the two sections in the out-of-order place it was in. - -sche (discuss) 18:55, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Etymology Change

@Kwékwlos Why'd you remove proto-Philippine *tubiʀ? Mar vin kaiser (talk) 13:30, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

• @Mar vin kaiser Evidence for the word beyond GCPh lies only in a Malay word tubir meaning "cliff", which is problematic semantically and hence discouraged. I've checked sources and it appears the word is a GCPh innovation, replacing *danum. Kwékwlos (talk) 13:33, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Edit: The source is The Greater Central Philippines Hypothesis by Robert Blust, published in 2011. Kwékwlos (talk) 13:35, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

@Kwékwlos: Do you know who posited the connection with Malay tubir? --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 13:39, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser: https://www.trussel2.com/acd/acd-n_d.htm - Seems to be Dempwolff (1938). The correspondences are regular for an expected PMP form, though. Distribution-wise, however, it is only found in Malay and GCPh. Kwékwlos (talk) 14:13, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

@Kwékwlos: I think in these cases, it's helpful information to still include etymologies that have been historically posited, despite being concluded as problematic later on, like this one, in order to give the Wiktionary user with a more comprehensive info on how linguists have posited the etymology of this word. So we can still include *tubir, but include the comments found in the Austronesian Comparative Dictionary. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 14:18, 1 July 2022 (UTC)