Talk:undercooked

RFV discussion: August 2021

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undercooked

1. Insufficiently cooked.
2. Not overcooked.

RFV sense 2. It is doubted that this exists distinctly from 1. See also Wiktionary:Tea_room/2021/August#undercooked. Mihia (talk) 08:21, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

I agree. Sense 2 is highly dubious and should probably be removed. Overlordnat1 (talk) 01:06, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I disagree. Sense 2 would be used in a positive manner- see "perfectly undercooked" on Google Books for examples. DTLHS (talk) 01:42, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I’ve actually changed my mind now you’ve mentioned that, there are some very convincing examples of ‘perfectly undercooked’ where ‘undercooked’ is used in sense 2. I was expecting to see examples where ‘perfectly undercooked’ meant ‘completely undercooked’ with sense 1 of undercooked rather than ‘ideally undercooked’ with sense 2 of ‘undercooked’ but I was wrong. Overlordnat1 (talk) 11:37, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

It seems to me that the "perfectly undercooked" examples relate to people who like food cooked very lightly. So, if someone likes their broccoli "undercooked", that would, I think, be different from liking it "not overcooked", which to me strongly includes "cooked to the usual/normal extent". I think the actual cooking outcome of "perfectly undercooked" is probably consistent with #1, just that the perception is not that it is insufficient. If we need a separate sense for the positive connotation, perhaps "lightly cooked" or even "very lightly cooked" might be better. Mihia (talk) 11:42, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

It’s definitely not sense #1 IMO but you’re right, ‘(very) lightly cooked’ would be a better definition than ‘not overcooked’. Overlordnat1 (talk) 19:03, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Irrespective of the outcome of this RFV, it seems to me that such a sense does exist, so I have added it. The first two senses now read:

1. Insufficiently cooked, so as to be unpalatable or inedible.

   I can't eat this chicken – it's undercooked.

2. Very lightly cooked.

   The broccoli was nicely undercooked.

Mihia (talk) 19:56, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Looks good to me. — SGconlaw (talk) 12:09, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

RFV-resolved. (Passed as amended). Kiwima (talk) 01:12, 15 August 2021 (UTC)