User talk:Mehmet2

Votic entries

I don't know any Votic, so I can't judge whether the words are right or not. But if there is a problem and you think the words don't exist, you should submit then to WT:RFV so that everyone can check to make sure. You can't just change the words inside the entries, because the entry name isn't changed when you do that and it messes up everything. —CodeCat 17:33, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! Thadh (talk) 17:54, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Some pointers

Welcome, I've heared a lot of great things about you! I'd like to give you some pointers as to how this project works, though:

• Wiktionary relies on processes like WT:RFV and WT:RFD. These are what ensures that editors communicate with each other, rather than blindly remove any entry they deem as incorrect. So, if you want an entry gone because it doesn't fulfill Wiktionary's criteria for inclusia, you ought to send it to WT:RFV; If, however, you think a word doesn't exist in a language, you should RFV it.
• This is very much related to the fact that references shouldn't be dismissed as incorrect or untrustworthy without proof. It's sometimes frustrating, but references like Chernyavskij's teach-yourself can't simply be dismissed as unauthoritative, because neither the author nor any academia via a peer-review have ever stated it to not be.

I hope you'll get acustomed to the project, cheers! Thadh (talk) 17:54, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Some Ingrian words which I have found in the Wiktionary don't exist all, e.g. vooks. Also there are some inconsistences in spelling of some words, e.g. kalliz vs. kerves. Many strange spellings and non-existent words are obviously taken from Chernyavsky's teach yourself book. I just want to say that Chernyavsky's book is incompatible with authoritative sources like the Nirvi Dictionary or Kuznetsova's dissertation.Mehmet2

Tip: you can use {{ping}} to ping me, so I get a notification, and you ought to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~) About incosistency: Kirill and I are currently working on Ingrian, lemmatising on Junus' forms and giving Chernyavskij's forms as alternate. Since we've started relatively recently, and Ingrian had some thousand entries before we started, this process is going to take a while before being fully completed. About Chernyavskij: It isn't incompatible at all, since like Junus he standardised his forms. Soikkolan pronunciation wouldn't differ between voiced /z/ and unvoiced /s/, so he chose to notate it as ⟨z⟩, which as far as written language goes isn't absurd. To go even further, Nirvi supports Chernyavskij in that final -s are often rather voiced in Soikkola. The non-existant words are tagged by the reference template, and if once perhaps the time comes that his book is officially discredited, we could simply remove all his entries with a bot, but that time hasn't come yet. The problem is that we don't know for sure if and where Chernyavskij did any fieldwork (granted, almost everyone agrees that he didn't, but we don't know that for sure), and as such words like vooks may exist in some dialect as borrowed from Finnish. That's not an entirely unreasonable assumption, is it? Thadh (talk) 22:34, 13 May 2021 (UTC)