Talk:Niedersächsisch

Senses

The term might have a second and maybe more sense:

1. broad sense: Low German (strict sense), Low Saxon (broad sense), i.e. a certain language
2. strict sense: a certain dialect or group of dialects, defined as to include Westphalian - so the term might be offensive as Nordrhein-Westfalen is not part of Niedersachsen
   [ [1] for example has "Das Westniederdeutsche (= Niedersächsisch) [line break] - Nordniedersächsisch [line break] - Westfälisch [line break] - Ostfälisch"]
3. stricter sense: a certain dialect or group of dialects, defined as not to include Westphalian
   [ [2] for example has "westniederdeutsch (west-, ostfälisch, niedersächsisch)"]

2 and 3 could be more senses regarding the ex- or inclusion of East Frisian.
Put more visual:

• Niederdeutsch (broad sense)
  • Niederdeutsch (strict sense) = Plattdeutsch = Niedersächsisch (broad sense)
    • Westniederdeutsch = Niedersächsisch (strict sense)
      • Nordniedersächsisch = Niedersächsisch (stricter sense)
      • Westfälisch
      • Ostfälisch
    • Ostniederdeutsch
  • Niederfränkisch
    • Niederländisch = Holländisch (broad sense)
      • Holländisch (strict sense)
      • Flämisch
    • [others]

-18:22, 4 March 2018 (UTC)