User talk:PJTraill

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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! Ultimateria (talk) 22:29, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Russian lemma

Hi,

Would you be able to find lemmata for your requested Russian terms? E.g. всеси́льное (vsesílʹnoje) -> всеси́льный (vsesílʹnyj) (already exists). Hint: you can try searching here and in the Russian Wiktionary. The inflected forms (non-lemmas) can be auto-generated by a bot and I think it's a waste of time to do it manually. User:Benwing2 has a program for that. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 22:00, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

@Atitarev Hallo, I am sorry I was not clearer: what I meant on my user page was just a note to myself that I had requested those words (marked ✖),which I did not find as inflected forms (as per comment before verse), perhaps my edit remark misled you! Those marked ✓ I found and was satisfied with. I did not expect people to be monitoring my User Page so attentively, but thanks for your help. I agree in principle about manual addition being a bit of a waste of time, but I have done a few as an exercise. Does the bot generate entries for all inflected forms in the Wiktionary, or just selected ones? PJTraill (talk) 22:14, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Ah, okay. It's OK if you don't know the lemma or you can't find it. I just suggested that you can find lemmas elsewhere, they may not exist here. Don't worry about your page being monitored, I felt like adding those entries today and give you a bit of guidance - since you requested a few non-lemmas on WT:RE:ru. User:Benwing2 runs the bot and I believe he can control how - selected, all new entries, etc. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 22:20, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

@Atitarev Aha, so I misunderstood you; you were asking if I could supply more substantial content, but your remark on non-lemmata and всеси́льное (vsesílʹnoje) made me think you thought I was requesting inflected forms of words already present. If I have requested inflected forms, it is because I have not yet learnt enough Russian to recognise them as that, but at least in my recent requests I checked there were no links to the requested pages. Of course new lemmata with inflections would be sufficient in such cases, or adding inflections, alternate spellings or derived words to existing entries if appropriate. I fear that my current level of Russian also means I cannot make much use of Russian Wiktionary or Wikipedia, so I cannot make very substantial contributions to Russian entries, and of course I do not want to risk adding erroneous statements. PJTraill (talk) 22:50, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

No problem. Erroneous contents are undesired. You will be able to learn more how to arrive at lemmas as you go along and deal with "ё" confusions. E.g. a search for "всесильное" may bring you to the lemma but you don't have to stress about it. You can request non-lemmas as well, I'm just not keen to add them, so I will point to lemmas. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 22:58, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Validating cites

I am glad you are taking an interest in validating quotes. You will find the entries that have {{rfdate}} and {{rfdatek}} have lots of quotes that need validating. Many quotes for older senses of words have been copied from one dictionary to another for three centuries. Sometimes it is a problem of editions: Not all editions have the same wording and Google hasn't scanned all editions. Sometimes OED is a good place to check quotes.

Remember, though, that the main thing is to find usage sufficient to validate the definition. DCDuring (talk) 17:32, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Requests on WT:RE:ru

Hi,

Could you please refrain from requesting all sorts of things, which are clarifications on WT:RE:ru? You can ask for clarifications, usage examples and notes on WT:RFT. Also, please note that есть (jestʹ) (etymology #2) is not a lemma. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 22:21, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

@Atitarev Okay, I am sorry to have misused the page; I have removed the offending requests and shall bear your comments in mind. I thought that WT:RFT was more for discussion of specific words, rather than for requests for missing information, which I supposed could also go in WT:RE:ru, that being a sort of to-do list. Perhaps it would be worth adding a clarification to the instructions in WT:RE:ru that it is not for requesting missing information? PJTraill (talk) 23:50, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding! Yes, it's a good idea. We do have this kind of comments on WT:RE:zh, a very busy page (pls see the last bullet point).

You can request etymologies, e.g. @вот (vot) like this:

===Etymology===
{{rfe|ru|optional comments, e.g. "Is it inherited from Proto-Slavic/Old East Slavic or borrowed from Old Church Slavonic?"}}.

There are some other request templates to ask for further clarifications, can't find right now. Cheers. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 23:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)